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Posted by cbk on Mar-15-03, 00:54 AM (PST)
Thanks Larry Brody. I was able to pull something out of your reply. But I think the premise of my last post was lost. Let me start again. I would like to think that I have come up with a great concept for a primetime soap television series (like everybody else.) It is such a great concept that with better writing the scenes would just flow. I know reality is in, but it would be a mixture of Baywatch (not in L.A and no T.A.) and 7th Heaven. The title is the key and is related to the concept. I have no experience and yes there are many errors, but I was able to learn on the internet how to write a script in T.V series format with proper margins. I wish someone else was writing the script, but I have the Teaser, Act One through scene D and starting Act Two, but now I'am having problems with dialogue between television Execs., producers,camera people. Other then sex and money, I just want to know what they say when talking to talent on the set? What do they discuss when talking about budgets for the show? What do they say and talk to the camera crew about? Anything out there like a behind the scenes video or book with dialogue between producers and others in a television series. Thanks Peace
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RE: revise, Irv the Nerve, Mar-15-03, (1) RE: revise, Larry Brody, Mar-15-03, (2) RE: revise, cbk, Mar-15-03, (3) RE: revise, Le Auteur, Mar-15-03, (4) RE: revise, cbk, Mar-15-03, (5) RE: revise, Joh Nichols, Mar-15-03, (7) RE: revise, cbk, Mar-16-03, (8) RE: revise, Joh Nichols, Mar-16-03, (9)

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1. "RE: revise"
Posted by Irv the Nerve on Mar-15-03, 07:10 AM (PST)
Oh man cdk you have a problem here. Many problems. You're saying that you have a great idea for a series but you aren't a writer. But that's okay because you're writing it anyway. Except that you think it would be better if a writer wrote it. But that's okay because the idea is so good it'll overcome the bad writing. And you're including scenes about subjects you know nothing about such as showbiz on the set. Possibly the most offensive thing about your posts--you don't mind if I tell you they're offensive do you? After all I am a network exec and our job is to give people notes for improvement all day. Possibly the most offensive thing about your posts is the way you admit you know nothing but assume that you can do a great job anyway if everybody else in the world just plays ball with you. I've been in the business a few years now and have learned the hard way that everybody I work with has a great idea or three and also that none of them knows anything about writing it. Except for the top tier writers who really know their stuff. And most of the time people like me squash their ideas like bugs anyway for reasons so incredibly complicated and uncreative that it's embarrassing to go into them. In fact I'm even embarrassed that I've gotten to a position where I know them. Every word of every post you have made insults all the hard working professionals who have given years of their lives to developing their sensitivity and learning their crafts. It's people like you who drive creative people out of the business. In fact it's people like you who become network executives. We are known far and wide for what LB once told me was (in that particular case my) "naive arrogance." If my bosses met you they'd give you my job in a second. I wouldn't mind so much because that would probably save my soul but I'd hate to inflict you on those currently developing shows for me. OTOH could be that your naive arrogance will get you far because you'll never know what rules you're breaking and toes you're stepping on or when you're defeated. I wish you luck in your endeavor and I pray to God I never have to meet with you.
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2. "RE: revise"
Posted by Larry Brody on Mar-15-03, 07:47 AM (PST)
Talk about a tempest in a teapot! You've sure managed to push a lot of people's buttons here, cbk. If I were you I'd think about that and how to avoid it in the future. To be honest, your questions present so many problems in terms of your approach to what you're writing that I can't answer them here. For example--the way you've described the scene on the set I see no need for you to know any of the things you want to know, or to have any conversation between film-makers unless the making of this film within a film is what the script is all about. All you need is one of those things where the director says, "Okay, let's set up Mark's close-up" and then huddles with the DP. This sets the scene and lets you have your characters get on with whatever is important to the plot. If the script IS about the biz and on the set behavior and you don't know anything about it, well, I'd say you've painted yourself into a very tight corner. Of course, I don't know why you're writing a pilot script to begin with. If you look over the information available on this site and do a message search for "pilot" on this Board you'll see why I say this. You'll also notice that the People's Pilot Contest specifically says it's not for scripts but for presentations. There's a reason for this, my friend. Know what my real advice is? Take a class. Specifically, take the Basic Online Workshop offered here. I know I sound self-serving, but the fact is that if you do that you'll be so far ahead of the game you won't be able to imagine how you could have been writing what you were writing the way you were writing it before. I don't know anyone else teaching anywhere who knows what I know or has done what I've done. (If you find someone, let me know so I can recommend him or her--or hire them for CCIA.) Good luck-- (and the rest of you, SIMMER THE FUCK DOWN!) Brody
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3. "RE: revise"
Posted by cbk on Mar-15-03, 08:54 PM (PST)
Julius drew first blood and anything I said after that was justified. But I dare anybody to look over some of these previous posts on this chat. I have and there are typos. Why I got attacked and insulted for it I can only answer with one word...Envy! Here is a guy or maybe a women with no experience and no ties to the industry, who has a great concept for a book and a series who is trying to do it all on their own and that threatens and pisses many of you off. When you look at the whole picture that is what it looks like. Without a great concept you can not have a great writing storyline, that I know. the fact that I'am writing it is because I came up with the idea and I just don't feel safe sharing right now or handing it over to anybody. I'am writing a pilot? Where does it say that? If I wanted to break into the television writing business, I would write a spec for a show and blah blah blah....What I'am writing is a one hour show in the series, the pilot has yet to be created. And If anyone thinks as soon as the 75+ page script is finished and edited I'am going to run down to Hollywood ( which is only a hop, skip and jump from where I live), and get a deal is ridiculous. But I have also started a book with the same title but with a totally different storyline. I'am finding it impossible and distracting to do both at the same time and now I'am going to put the script on hold until I finish the novel. There is a scene in the script were Hollywood is going on location to shoot a couple scenes for a show of their own. I just wanted to learn a little about what they say and how they prepare. What many of you fail to understand is that I do not want to become an authority on tv producers or writers, and do not want to portray that to the reader or viewer because then the concept would be lost. Next week I will be doing research on a crime scene and detectives. Since concepts and titles cannot be copywrited, I would need to complete the script first and register it before I devulge. But I would make a bet to anyone who insulted me on this forum (excluding tv execs) well no, even them, that I have a better or comparable concept and title for a Primetime family soap television series then you. I will put my script and book where my mouth is, will you?
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	4. "RE: revise"
	Posted by Le Auteur on Mar-15-03, 09:44 PM (PST)
	Dear Mr. Nemo, You seem to have ignored the sensible advice given to you on HOW to do your research. You appear to want to sit in your no-doubt comfortable abode a mere hop, skip and a jump away from the source of your frustration and have everyone or someone on this board do your work for you. Research is work. If you don't want to do it, hire a research assistant to do it for you. But, frankly, you'll only know the way producers talk, when you actually hang around producers and LISTEN to them. As for your decision to write this yourself, even though you claim not to be a writer, the only thing I can say, is are you smoking crack? What else would make you so paranoid? You can certainly register your story. Write it up as a treatment. Pay your money to the WGA. Since you have elsewhere stated your great wealth, hire a writer, sign a contract with that person, and have him write your script. In essence, act professionally and you will be treated that way by EVERYONE on this board. Continue to act the way you have been and expect the scorn to continue to be heaped on your head -- deservedly. Sincerely yours, Le Auteur
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	5. "RE: revise"
	Posted by cbk on Mar-15-03, 11:23 PM (PST)
	Taking a basic outline course is what I need to do. And I would probably see things in a better light. Standing around on the set on a Hollywood television series would be very helpful, I'll look into it. Now that is good advice! Kudos Larry. But Le Auteur, I have to make a comment. You did not say this, but do you believe that calling me a cretin is professional? I dont even know what that means, is that a creature in Star Wars? As for keeping my Professionalism, I'll try, but I have a feeling some people arent done yet.
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	7. "RE: revise"
	Posted by Joh Nichols on Mar-15-03, 11:47 PM (PST)
	First off, I would suggest that cbk take a basic writing course. It's "I'm" not "I'am" as you keep repeating this error, I would urge you to go and register right now at your local community college. Since you keep harping on OCJ and won't drop it - here's a clue: "Law and Order", "Dragnet"- now lay off the guy - he wields some weight in Hollywood. And Larry, if anyone needs to "simmer down" it's this guy/gal. Justified Joh
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	8. "RE: revise"
	Posted by cbk on Mar-16-03, 00:11 AM (PST)
	Joh, and your concept and title for your book and television series is..........? As for my grammer, my posts and replies are not final edits.
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	9. "RE: revise"
	Posted by Joh Nichols on Mar-16-03, 00:33 AM (PST)
	>Joh, and your concept and title >for your book and television >series is..........? > >As for my grammer, my posts >and replies are not final >edits. Answers: first paragraph: "Better than yours!" second paragraph: "Grab a dictionary - posting on the web is as good as being published...I learned the hard way just as you are now. Learn to take criticism constructively and be a gracious student." Be nice, show respect, read a Deepak Chopra book and chill out, Joh
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